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Is Net Neutrality Really Open Internet
[1945037?] an expert group what every Internet user should know
Unless you work for a monopolistic service provider (hint: Verizon, aT & T, Comcast), most of we agree that an open and competitive Internet that respects user privacy is essential to pursue economic growth and benefits made possible by the Internet. There is, however, considerable disagreement on how these goals can be best achieved in response to actions taken by powerful interests - both public and private -. That threaten the open Internet
This panel analysis and helps give meaning to net neutrality and open Internet issues that have captivated and polarized the technology industry during the past year. The panelists, all with a deep understanding of the Internet, consider that the recent proposals of the FCC and Congress (see reference above) mean for the future of the Internet. They discuss the validity of Titles II and X re-regulation, privacy paid priorities, and how to better align service provider and consumer priorities. Despite what you may have heard, the Internet is not broken - at least not yet! Let's figure out how to keep it that way.
Speakers
- Marvin Ammori
- Marvin Ammori is a lawyer, activist and best-known scholar for his work on net neutrality and Internet freedom. He advises a wide range of large technology companies, including Google, Dropbox, WordPress.com and Tumblr on issues including copyright, surveillance, and telecommunications. He was the main lawyer of the Comcast-BitTorrent case, the most important contentious net neutrality in the United States.
- Edward Henigin
- Edward Henigin worked in the Internet industry since 1994. As CTO of Data Foundry based in Austin, he is a technical expert on how whose commercial function and the Internet consumer. He was recently a panelist at the Open Internet Forum hosted by Commissioner Ajit Pai FCC.
- Chip Pickering
- Chip Pickering is competitive providers of communications services in his role as CEO of Comptel. Pickering was a congressman for six terms, representing the third district of Mississippi where he served on the Energy & Commerce Committee of the House, where he was vice president from 02 to 06 and member of the telecommunications subcommittee.
- Gigi Sohn
- Ms. Sohn has served since 01 as President and CEO of Public Knowledge, and from 2011-2013, the co-chair of the Group Board of Directors high technical Advisory flow (Bitag). She served on the board of the Conference on policy research Telecommunications (CEPT) and the Advisory Information Centre Copyright Council. In October 1997, President Clinton appointed Ms. Sohn to serve as a member of its Advisory Committee on public interest obligations of digital television broadcasters.
- James Waterworth
- James Waterworth advises members of the CCIA and European policymakers on intellectual property, international trade and regulation of the internet. He has over a decade of experience in technology policy that occurred posts of government affairs for Nokia, Telefonica and Cable and Wireless in Brussels and London.
Panel Moderated by
- Rob Pegoraro
- Rob tries to make sense of computing, consumer electronics, telecommunications services , the Internet, software and other things that beep or flash through reporting, review and analysis - 1999-2011 as technology columnist for the Washington post, now a variety of online outlets and printing. He writes a weekly Q and a column for USA Today and another on technology policy for Yahoo Tech.
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Rob Pegoraro: Welcome welcome welcome to the third edition annual Take Back Your Internet part / panel by Golden Frog. This, apparently, I've been writing about it for ten years. Am I that old do? And much has changed in just the last year so it will be exciting to break down how this happened and what comes next. We will present our panels in minutes, but the organizers asked me to remind you all that the hashtag is #takebackyourinternet here. We apologize for the length of it. You can send us your questions via Twitter and someone, not me, I think going to look at them.
We'll try to answer them when you get them. There are some sponsors who helped make this possible. There SpiderOak, storage zero knowledge cloud. I think they are on the Blackphone. Foundry data, based here in Austin and Giganews Usenet provider world leader. I remember using Usenet. And I think there are some groups here: the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Center for Democracy and Technology, Engine defense and i2Coalition and people on the panel. To my left, Marvin Ammori. The cheat sheet here says "internet famous lawyer." You wrote that you did not
Marvin Ammori:. I do not write that
Rob Pegoraro: Someone actually described as whisperer net neutrality. I think I said that you were the Keyser Soze of net neutrality. There Edward Henigin, CTO of Data Foundry, Gigi Sohn, the Special Council for Public Affairs at the Federal Communications Commission, Chip Pickering, CEO of Comptel, waterwort James, vice president of IT and Communications Association industry in Europe. And I'm Rob Pegoraro. I do a column on politics Yahoo Tech. I also do a Q & A column for USA Today.
You can write to me at The Pince coupe guy every now and then, and here I am. One last note here, thank you for being here at this time. I like to joke that the worst time slot of the panel is just before the reception and in this case, we solved that by having the reception and the panel is at the same time. Please remember to tip your bartenders. It's a form of prioritization paid, we agree with. I think we need to start. We had this historic FCC vote I ... How much money you put on what is happening there a year? Dollar
Marvin Ammori:. You would ... I'd put money on it but it was very unlikely that
Rob Pegoraro: So, it happened, and question we must ask next is "what's next?" I mean that will continue to [overturn 00:02:43] to try to get these regulations overturned first? Will it be a cable company, Verizon will it be? If Verizon, what the rest of the big telecoms will mumbling behind his back, because he was the costume Verizon probably have brought us to this point, getting some net neutrality rules not very strong cast in court and forcing the FCC to start over. I want to ask questions of multiple parts, if the series of defeats FCC in court cases of net neutrality continues? So what? Want to take the lead on this
Gigi Sohn: Well look, all I know is that someone will continue. I'm not sure it will be one of the last large companies because twice they sued and lost, it did not work so well for them. So it may well be one of the trade associations and instead makes things interesting because professional associations are all not speak with one voice. Thus, the Trade Association of the wireless industry members who believe that Title II is not so bad? Sprint and T-Mobile. I would not assume that any particular company or a particular trade association will continue. I can not imagine nobody is going to continue but it actually makes a difference who goes and who does not.
While large companies sit this one out it actually looks different to a court if the professional associations do. But I will also say this, no one thinks to lose because the FCC has done the thing that the Supreme Court and the last court which canceled our rules of 2010, DC Circuit Court of appeals is a court of Appeals in Washington said that we could do. We could reclassify broadband Internet access as a telecommunications service if we wanted to take the most possible of strong net neutrality rules. So I'm not really worried and I am very encouraged to see, I think it was in New York Times, a law professor named Jim Spader in the northwest, not a fan of net neutrality basically say: "the FCC is on a solid ground so that we plan on winning"
Chip Pickering :. Rob just to follow up on what was said Gigi and give those in the audience a bit of a broader context, I'm a former Republican congressman. Gigi is a great defender of the public interest of consumers and the FCC now a loyal and faithful Democrat. Net neutrality, historically, has been a bipartisan national consensus that began in the FCC Michael Powell as a policy statement of the directors. Then Kevin Martin, another Republican commissioner attempted to apply these principles.
C ' is the first step to get us to where we are today, where the current president must give the highest legal rules, most durable possible so that they won 't be reversed. But Comcast challenged the authority of the republican commission to be able to enforce net neutrality principles. Then you had, in 2010, President [Genachowski 00:05:58] with a broad national public consensus almost all Internet and holds provider agreement for these rule sets except Verizon.
Verizon challenged, the court overturned most of the rules, but not all, so today we are where we are because of Comcast and Verizon. It was not something that chair or committee wanted to do but left no choice but to have the strongest rules, more durable and I really congratulate President. He did it in a light touch, flexible manner that is based off of the wireless model and it came through a Republican Congress in 1996 assets that allows it to use more light touch, flexible way to those rules a legally sustainable way.
Marvin Ammori: How many of you live in DC? How many of you work in technology and build things? You should probably know that the Net neutrality decision a few weeks ago was pretty epic, amazing and totally unexpected. There is a huge disconnect between Washington, DC and the rest of the country. It's like the Hunger Games where there is the Capitol and the Districts. There is an ...
Chip Pickering Marvin organized insurgents
Marvin Ammori :. all started at South by Southwest a year ago actually, so if you live in DC you are just surrounded by telecommunications lobbyists. There are more of them than there are at Starbucks or McDonald's, they're just everywhere. You can even hire a law firm that does not conflict. There is this feeling that nobody cared about net neutrality and when you go out in public, you guys, I remember last year in the south by everyone was like, 'Oh net neutrality is so important, how can we help? "This is really the community that I think led the way. What happened a few weeks ago was very simple rules saying if you follow closely," no blocking. "
Comcast, AT & T, Verizon, can not block the websites. They can not discriminate and treat some better than others, creating fast lanes and slow lanes. If you a start there is no way you could offer a fast track, competing with Google or Facebook or eBay. no paid prioritization, where no offers to compete with a big guy you got to cut a deal with Comcast and Verizon and Deutsche Telekom following. the Internet will remain open and neutral.
If you guys not talked, we had not won, we were hurtling towards a future where there would have been a December 18th decision where the proposal from the FCC was forced by carriers and permitted expressways, allowed these terrible things. At this point you want to spend your entire South trying to do business with Comcast and Verizon companies to companies that your business would be able to grow. We avoided it and it was largely because of this community. (Applause)
Edward Henigin: Okay everybody else says something that I feel I must say something too. Except for James, James I guess you're next. I have a totally different perspective than everyone on the panel. I'm with Data Foundry and are an operator so that we look at it as a black box. Things happen there and I do not always know what is going on or how it happens. These guys they know how the sausage is made and I do not know how the sausage is made. Everything I see or what happens to us in the real world.
So, frankly, I'm a little superstitious and I can see the reasons and I think that the models I've seen in the past will continue in the future regardless of how I know how they occur. I'll tell you my experience of the operator, the Dark Triad, you ask who would continue. Well the dark triad is Comcast, Verizon and AT & T. In all my years as an operator are the three that have always been a major problem. So what ... I finally got some of the economic terms is to understand the annuity.
what they want to do is they want to shut this monopoly of their end users and they want to collect all taxes, whatever they rent ... in their economic term the rent. They can get out of everyone in the world who wants all traffic or transaction with all those eyeballs they locked to their network. So the short answer to the question is that will continue? Well, if it's not Comcast, AT & T and Verizon because they are perhaps thinking they are too smooth and they're not coming at it head on, maybe he is a trade group that they control.
Rob Pegoraro: Comcast has a lot on their plate in DC right now
Edward Henigin :. Comcast has a lot of their plate in DC right now. Good. Pile more on their plate whore. I have no sympathy for these guys. Anyway, I think you can say. That's my view. That's what I would say is to be monitored. If there is a kind of legal action that comes and it comes to a group called "Freedom Fighters Internet" fetching in which the fund is and "oh my gosh, is it Verizon financing, no kidding!" That's the cynical and superstitious guy told me that my experience in the operation, which is what I expect to see. Now, hopefully, I mean I am more better feel better about that every day we are going to fight them off but we'll see how it goes
James waterwort :. Maybe we can relate to the audience participation that Marvin began. We know that lives in D.C. and we know who works in technology. Which is not the U.S.?
Audience Member :. Here
James waterwort: Not much. I thought it was a very international party. Well, you'll all enjoy the two hands came, but even those of the US we will still appreciate that new is better. Marvin said that a year ago, it was almost inconceivable that we would get the rules we have in the United States. There are of two years, when we started working on it in Brussels where I live and work in the European legislative process, it was inconceivable that we would have the right to net neutrality pro.
Although we have not quite finished it will be completed before this summer we will have the right to pro net neutrality across the EU as well. We'll move to have 330 million people covered by net neutrality to nearly one billion because it will still be 500 million people covered. So very good almost 50% of the global economy covered by the rules of net neutrality and I'd say that's pretty important. I do not think you should be so pessimistic Rob straight? Maybe people will continue but I think you should have started on a more optimistic note. This is good news
Rob Pegoraro :. Expecting disputes rarely leads you astray
Chip Pickering :. Well death, taxes, and disputes are still with us
Gigi Sohn :. I want to go back to what James says, and also what Marvin said, because you start on a note down and it is amazing that four million people have weighed in the FCC. It was a public process resulted. I walked here a little late because this guy stopped me, he recognized me and said, "My god, for once democracy has worked," and I've heard that a crowd of people. (Cheers) people are really cynical, people are super cynical about what is happening in Washington.
I'm pretty cynical me, but it was a case where the big dogs were win and the public just got outraged and many things that are causing agree? people are concerned about the consolidation, they think their speed is slow, they think they pay too much, and they are sick of it. I think a lot of it has to do with them participating in this thing of net neutrality. So everybody has to give a round of applause because you really did that, it was an uprising public.
Let me also say this right? It's just starting. I know you hate to hear that. You've worked your ass off for 13-14 months and you got a great result but it is not too right? The same companies that will continue will try to use other ways to take this victory away from you. So the same group and I know many of them here to fight for the future and the EFF and others, they will ask you to weigh again. And we're going to need you to weigh again and again and again. So sorry, party tonight but get back to work tomorrow
Marvin Ammori :. Can I add this note? Fight for the Future asked to weigh, then progress will require, it will be the EFF, but there are many interesting moments when nobody asked someone to do something out of the blue and it happened. I can give an example where I knew a contractor in San Francisco, it was probably in April or May and he sent me e and said. "We have to get John Oliver talk" And I said, "Why John Oliver? it is right on HBO, HBO nobody watches. "he had this new show, there is not so popular.
I was like, "Look man, you're this relentless entrepreneur who knows the people in Hollywood. Just email everyone you know, do what you want and we'll see what happens. "Then a few weeks later, there was this sketch John Oliver was incredible. And there were other times like that when you come organically, someone came with some or even plugged or meetings was that we did not know. So people like you are the people who do not need to be told what to do, although we'll tell you when we need help. But you guys can do things on your own and it was amazing
Rob Pegoraro :. therefore looking ahead, how alleged violations do you think we'll see over the next year? How many cases will actually come from companies trying to circumvent the rules
Gigi Sohn: I think very few right? This is in dispute. People will be on their best behavior. The fact of the matter is, when the rules of 2010 were in place for almost four years, there were very few violations or alleged violations. What happened was that we had dozens of complaints that had to do with the right to interconnection? Netflix Netflix popular charged slowly and fought with both Comcast and Verizon FiOS, which is one of the reasons why our new rules now include the exchange of traffic between networks because out to be the problem.
I expect that, especially since this ... See if we lose, I do not think we will, we may be in this new and everyone will be on their best behavior. So I'm sure there will be some informal allegations and complaints but I think companies are not really going to test ... will not push the envelope. They are some of the things that we have not flat on the right to ban? Things like zero-sponsored credit rating data. We did not flat on the Prohibition those, we said that you can file a complaint. So there may be some tests but I think companies are going to be quite soft and do not try to push the envelope too
Chip Pickering :. Rob, I just wanted to agree with Gigi. I do not think the rules of the bright line not paid prioritization, blocking, throttling, these types of clear, I do not think you'll see a lot of abuse or problems. One reason why they will be on their best behavior is that they have before the FCC and mergers, whether Comcast, Time Warner and AT & T / DirectTV, these reasons will have a deterrent effect, but I do want to congratulate the FCC to extend the authority of the FCC at the interconnection point. As Gigi just about the battle has just begun, but many battles range from the end user last mile, now the point of interconnection. The skit John Oliver, buffering you could see what's going around and around as you try to [inaudible 00:18:35] ...
Rob Pegoraro [inaudible 00:18:33] I know all about this experience
Chip Pickering Yes, if you try to access Comcast goes directly and if you try to get your Netflix is very slow. Well this is a perfect example of what the two rules to the end user and the last mile interconnection point is to have a free, open and competitive market. And interconnection issues will be the next battleground, I think that to ensure that we have over-the-top streaming, all options, both on the corporate market and the residential market, and not have a doorman bottleneck at the point of interconnection that would be an obstacle to many of the things we want that we have access to the Internet
Rob Pegoraro :. Let me freaking around this issue. Aircraft FCC ... If we had history taken a different course, how many of these offenses would anyone complain and complain to the FCC could not do anything about, if the regulations that were on the table there one year were those we wound with
Marvin Ammori: Maybe three days after the decision of Verizon last January, when the previous net rules neutrality FCC were thrown, there were three days passed without net neutrality rule. A friend of mine, who is a lawyer for a company tech San Francisco, called me and let me know that they had already obtained an extension of a large telecommunications company with an innovative new pricing plan that they wanted to discuss with them. They were ready to pounce on the idea of being able to cut deals with high-tech enterprises over others to move higher up the stack.
I think there would be much ... There would be no complaints because 'D no rules. But there would have been a lot of violations. That carriers want to do is find a small loop-hole. Like, "Oh, we try to find a way to strangle Netflix in this part of the network, not part of the network," and we hope it is legal or "We will not create expressways or slow lanes, but we sell you a data bucket, then we will leave some of the data does not count if you have Facebook or ... so I'll pay to be exempted from the ceiling like Netflix data.
Twenty days in your month all of a sudden YouTube will cost you money, but you can listen free Netflix. huge advantage for whoever gets these offers and AT & T is introducing some of them. He has this idea of data sponsored that was not banned altogether. When Gigi said he could not be any complaints, because it may not be violations, there are still things happening out there on the interconnection and discrimination of bandwidth and it is possible that consumer groups decide to simply complain and engage the right fight to carriers and get that care of sooner rather than later
Gigi Sohn :. Let me tell you what would have happened if we had not had rules. When Verizon challenged the 2010 rules of their lawyer stood up in public and basically said, in response to a question from one of the judges, "If these rules are not in place, so we hit those priorities paid offers. " They basically flat out told. So I think you have seen absolutely paid for priority expressways.
expressways ... Now many, many, many people who weighed in at the FCC, millions, said we want to Title II reclassification, which was just amazing for me because I thought many people say that we want strong net neutrality rules, but to ask the thing was incredible. Even people who ask Title II reclassification they were not told of expressways.
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